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            <title>Tell everyone about yourself :: Re: Hello, I'm new from London, UK :: Reply by sunnsandnsurf</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Welcome joyful! You have a diverse range of interests and I welcome you!]]></description>
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            <title>Tell everyone about yourself :: Re: 你好怎么样您 :: Reply by satexsun</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Liu,<br /><br />My apologies for not welcoming you sooner.  I have been away from my computer for a few days and do not receive email while traveling.  I am going to read every welocme and each of your replies and write again as soon as possible.<br /><br />Your English is fine, your faith is amazing!<br /><br />Your brother in CHrist,<br /><br />Larry]]></description>
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            <title>Tell everyone about yourself :: Re: Hello from MD :: Reply by satexsun</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Gina,<br /><br />Welcome to NC.  Been traveling and have not had time to catch up on email.  Glad you found us.<br /><br />I'l catch up on all the wwelcomes and reply soon.<br /><br />Brother in Christ,<br /><br />Larry]]></description>
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            <title>Funny Naturist Stories :: Re: New iNaked app for i-Phone :: Reply by vipin kumar</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[thanks for providing links....]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (vipin kumar)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:19:35 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Funny Naturist Stories :: Re: New iNaked app for i-Phone :: Reply by natman55</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Singemusique wrote:</cite>Unfortunately I don't live close enough to any of the places.  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /></div></blockquote><br /><br />Those are screen shots from an i-Phone in Europe.  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif" alt=":|" title="Neutral" />]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (natman55)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:20:10 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Funny Naturist Stories :: Re: Caught by my brother :: Reply by Jon-Marc</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I find it interesting that so many believe in the lie of evolution so easily without any evidence of it being true, and yet they deny the truth of God's word that has been proved over and over to be true.<br /><br />I once told a man that it would take more faith for me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in the creation. Of course, he disagree with me--no surprise there.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:59:56 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Funny Naturist Stories :: Re: Caught by my brother :: Reply by natman55</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Jon-Marc wrote:</cite>I find it interesting that so many believe in the lie of evolution so easily without any evidence of it being true, and yet they deny the truth of God's word that has been proved over and over to be true.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Well, astrophysicist Stephen Hawking has, after years and years of intense &quot;scientific&quot; study and analysis, finally figured how EVERYTHING came into being, keeping in mind that one would have to be a total &quot;idiot&quot; to believe that the universe could have been created by an omnipotent, omniscient, loving and personal God. THAT would deny the basic laws of physics.<br /><br /><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fx9lR0Zcc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fx9lR0Zcc</a><!-- m --><br /><br />Instead, Hawking believes that at a moment in time, everthing instantly sprang out of &quot;nothing&quot;. <br /><br />Essentially, he said that &quot;gravity&quot; is responsible for creating everything in the universe out of nothing. The problem with that premise is that if there is &quot;nothing&quot;, there is also &quot;nothing&quot; to generate a gravitaional pull. So, if there ever was a time when there was &quot;nothing&quot;, there would have been no &quot;gravity&quot; to attract &quot;nothing&quot; into &quot;something&quot;.<br /><br />'Sounds like Dr. Hawking has found a secret stash of that very SPECIAL Kool-Aid. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.caracaschronicles.com/userfiles/kool-aid.gif" alt="Image" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:56:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Funny Naturist Stories :: Re: Caught by my brother :: Reply by salmongetter</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[It kind of makes you wonder <span style="font-weight: bold">HOW</span> Stephen Hawking has lived so long with ALS unless it is for the LORD to show him HE really does exist and that HE DID make everything....and of course the LORD is waiting for the right point in HIS time to show Stephen...]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:39:46 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by carp</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>&quot;Malah&quot; is defined as a &quot;feminine noun&quot; for the word &quot;steps&quot;. Just because the noun for &quot;steps&quot; is feminine in the Greek language does not mean that someone one is ascending it with a feminine person.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Just curious since I had some of the same trouble in high school Spanish.<br /><br />What does a female step look like?  Or a male one for that matter?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:51:17 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by co</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>carp wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>&quot;Malah&quot; is defined as a &quot;feminine noun&quot; for the word &quot;steps&quot;. Just because the noun for &quot;steps&quot; is feminine in the Greek language does not mean that someone one is ascending it with a feminine person.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Just curious since I had some of the same trouble in high school Spanish.<br /><br />What does a female step look like?  Or a male one for that matter?</div></blockquote><br /><br />I'll leave it to Nathan (the champion illustration inserter on this site) to provide you with the appropriate representation of the female step. I'm thinking longish hair, slightly broader pelvis, softer voice... ... <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" />  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt="8O" title="Shocked" /> .<br /><br />French and Greek (i think Natman meant to say Hebrew in his above quote) also do this, that is, assigning gender to things that really have none. Never having been a Frenchman, Spaniard, Greek or Hebrew, i don't have an explanation.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:42:06 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by natman55</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>co wrote:</cite>I'll leave it to Nathan (the champion illustration inserter on this site) to provide you with the appropriate representation of the female step. I'm thinking longish hair, slightly broader pelvis, softer voice... ... <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" />  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt="8O" title="Shocked" /> .<br /><br />French and Greek (i think Natman meant to say Hebrew in his above quote) also do this, that is, assigning gender to things that really have none. Never having been a Frenchman, Spaniard, Greek or Hebrew, i don't have an explanation.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, I DID mean to say &quot;Hebrew&quot; rather than &quot;Greek&quot;.<br /><br />The Hebrew word &quot;malah&quot; (&quot;ma' alah&quot; מַעֲלָה) is considered to &quot;feminine&quot; &quot;gramatically&quot;, (not &quot;sexually&quot;) because of the construction of the word, because it ends in the letter &quot;ה&quot; and not because a stair is particularly &quot;female&quot;. This is the same for most European languages and particularly for those derived from the Greek or Latin. Like English, the gender of a word has an affect on it's modifiers, the choice of verbs and adjectives.]]></description>
            <author>no_email@example.com (natman55)</author>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:41:45 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by lewisdecastro</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>co wrote:<br />I'll leave it to Nathan (the champion illustration inserter on this site) to provide you with the appropriate representation of the female step. I'm thinking longish hair, slightly broader pelvis, softer voice... ...   .<br /><br />French and Greek (i think Natman meant to say Hebrew in his above quote) also do this, that is, assigning gender to things that really have none. Never having been a Frenchman, Spaniard, Greek or Hebrew, i don't have an explanation.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Yes, I DID mean to say &quot;Hebrew&quot; rather than &quot;Greek&quot;.</div></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>The Hebrew word &quot;malah&quot; (&quot;ma' alah&quot; מַעֲלָה) is considered to &quot;feminine&quot; &quot;gramatically&quot;, (not &quot;sexually&quot;) because of the construction of the word, because it ends in the letter &quot;ה&quot; and not because a stair is particularly &quot;female&quot;. This is the same for most European languages and particularly for those derived from the Greek or Latin. Like English, the gender of a word has an affect on it's modifiers, the choice of verbs and adjectives.</div></blockquote><br /><br />        Yes I would like to see what a female step looks like also.  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /> <br /><br />           This is What the word means according to Strong's Hebrew dictionary of the Bible;<br /><br />     <span style="color: #BF0000"> 4609 ma-alah, feminine of 4608; elevation, i.e. the act (literally, a journey to a higher place, figuratively, a thought arising), or (concretely) the condition (literally, a step or grade-mark, figuratively, a superiority of station); specifically a climactic progression (in certain Psalms):--things that come up, (high) degree, deal, go up, stair, step, story.<br /><br />       Now remember 04609 is Feminine of 4608 , now this is what 4608 means;<br /><br />       04608.  hlem  ma`aleh,  mah-al-eh' <br />Search for 04608 in KJV<br /> <br /> <br />from 5927; an elevation, i.e. (concretely) acclivity or platform; abstractly (the relation or state) a rise or (figuratively) priority:--ascent, before, chiefest, cliff, that goeth up, going up, hill, mounting up, stairs.</span>        Now both of these words have the same letter on the ending of them, but only one is femine. If you will examine the meanings  of these two words they are very simular. One way it is translated is , &quot;Things that come up&quot;. obviousely it does not have to be translated as a &quot;Step&quot;. A women can also ascend up with a man on an altar. And since it is Famine that is the closes &quot;thing&quot; to being the right &quot;thing&quot; to be going up on the Altar and that would go along with the &quot;thought&quot; that God did not want to happen on his Altar.<br /><br />        I am not looking for someone to agree with me, I am just presenting the &quot;evidence&quot; to support the &quot;truth&quot; of what has been commanded for educational purposes.<br /><br />        Lewis]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:30:08 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by co</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Lewis,<br /><br />Just curious, don't take this wrong please.<br /><br />But have you actually studied language with a linguist? Someone who has trained in biblical interpretation, perhaps?<br /><br />Understanding that many languages ascribe gender to non-sexual things, just because the Hebrew word is feminine does not mean a man is dragging a woman up to the altar to have sex with her. This is not the only feminine noun in the Hebrew language, so are you telling us that every time a feminine noun occurs in Scripture that we're supposed to affiliate it with a woman and sex?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:58:26 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Christian Naturism :: Re: Nude bible study disrespectful? :: Reply by lewisdecastro</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>by co » Wed 08 Sep 10 15:58 <br /><br />Lewis,<br /><br />Just curious, don't take this wrong please.<br /><br />But have you actually studied language with a linguist? Someone who has trained in biblical interpretation, perhaps?<br /><br />Understanding that many languages ascribe gender to non-sexual things, just because the Hebrew word is feminine does not mean a man is dragging a woman up to the altar to have sex with her. This is not the only feminine noun in the Hebrew language, so are you telling us that every time a feminine noun occurs in Scripture that we're supposed to affiliate it with a woman and sex?</div></blockquote><br /><br />              #1) Number One. I have never said that a &quot;femine noun&quot;  every time it occurs in Scripture is suppose to affiliate with a woman having sex.<br /><br />              #2) Number Two. I was dealing with a Whole sentence not just a noun. And the sentence and the context of God not wanting a certain behaviour on his Altar. <br /><br />               #3) I have mastered grammar in Greek and in Hebrew but not as thoroughly as I have Law.<br /><br />               #4) The Hebrew word &quot;ma-alah&quot; does not mean &quot;Step&quot; in all applications where it is used. But translators have applied that meaning in Exodus 20:26 and then along comes an amature and thinks that he has to follow step with the &quot;theologians&quot; and then he is &quot;brainwashed &quot; to think he has to have agreement with some other &quot;theologian&quot; before he can get out of the &quot;ditch&quot; of the blind leaders. <br /><br />               #5) Do you know how we come about the different translations of the &quot;same&quot; hebrew? Well I happen to be knowlogable about how it takes place. We will just say that we have 100 translators in one room and they are working on a difficult passage of Scriptures. Now these translators know that there has been enough studies to evidence the need for change in the way that it has been translated in the past so they put it to a vote to see if they will change it in the next bach of bibles published. Say there are 49 who vote for changing the Scripture as they have been translated to the more exact way it should be translated. Well guess what happens? Since the majority rules they do not change the inferior translation, because the fear factor that so many would love the wrong translation and would feel like their Bible was defiled it the &quot;truth&quot; was translated correctly in the new translation.<br /><br />               #6) I happen to have the greatest pioneer in teaching hebrew and greek in the scriptures that any one could have who also taught me how to study and research the scriptures to rightly divide them , so with this teaching I am still able to learn, because the Truth does not hurt me nor does it disturb me to change.<br /><br />                 #7) Thank you for questioning my knowledge I welcome it.<br /><br />                 Lewis]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:46:03 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>General Nudist Chat :: Re: career :: Reply by JeepNude</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I do engineering of remote sites a lot.  No clothes required!  In the summer, I work about 3-4 days a week nude.]]></description>
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            <title>Nude Art :: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Author oregonguy2</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Just got my issue of Biblical Archaeology Review. It had two letters to the editor complaining of the &quot;pornographic&quot; cover of the issue of May/June. (If anyone does not get the magazine, it was a photo of the sculpture &quot;Attendants of Aphhrodute&quot;.  <br /><br />And to top it off on page 17 they report that the Colorado State prisons banned the magazine because of the cover.<br /><br />Wow. Just amazing.]]></description>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by larryk1052</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sounds rather silly. I tried to find a picture of the statue, but couldn't. Can you most one?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:43:32 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by oregonguy2</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Here it is. (Hope I'm not doing any copyright infringements or anything)!]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:31:09 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by natman55</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Obviously, there is NOTHING pornographic about that sculpture. Too bad the letter writers and the admins at the Colorado State prison system do not know the difference.  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /> <br /><br />However, I am certain they are not alone.  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:14:54 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by Trailscout</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Agreed, simple nudity is not pornographic, not from a legal standpoint nor even from the standpoint of western culture. Even more importantly, this demonization of the body flies in the face of centuries of nudity in religious artwork. <br /><br />Sad commentary on the education that Christian laymen are not receiving. I am appalled at the ignorance. We've got our work cut out for us.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:06:56 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by oregonguy2</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I wrote to BAR telling them I hoped there are others like me that saw nothing wrong with the cover. I wondered out loud in the email how these 2 letter writers would have felt to seen Adam and Eve, David or Saul naked. &quot;Shame&quot; and &quot;pornographic&quot; of God's greatest creation (Their words)?????<br /><br />Interestingly enough, in the side piece that BAR reported on the banning of the magazine in Colorado, it actually SUGGESTED that readers write the chair of the Review Committee at the State Prisons! That's interesting that a scholarly journal would ask its readers to write to a agency defending (hopefully) on BAR's use of a photograph of a sculpture that is basically shows the human body(s) nude. <br /><br />If it had been a sculpture showing couples (even homosexual) having sex (and there are alot of ancient sculptures out their portraying sex, espically those made by artists belong to cults of that same period). I could see the outrage from some or the banning of it in certain areas (like prisons). The prison also banned the photo in the magazine of a sculpture of a little girl, and it was not nude.<br /><br />I did not mention in the email that I was a Christian nudist. Should I have ?8O]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:09:52 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by Jon-Marc</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>oregonguy2 wrote:</cite>Here it is. (Hope I'm not doing any copyright infringements or anything)!</div></blockquote><br /><br />Oh yes, I can definitely see how that is porn--NOT! It's amazing to see how some people's minds work.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:06:38 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by Singemusique</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>Jon-Marc wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>oregonguy2 wrote:</cite>Here it is. (Hope I'm not doing any copyright infringements or anything)!</div></blockquote><br /><br />Oh yes, I can definitely see how that is porn--NOT! It's amazing to see how some people's minds work.</div></blockquote><br /><br />If there is even a hint of skin around the private areas that is bad should be banned as pornographic!!! <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /> <br /><br />But seriously, it's all about the culture that people grow up in and whether they are willing to examine other people's views as valid.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:19:47 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Nude Art :: Re: BAR magazine cover critized/banned :: Reply by larryk1052</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Our culture is one of extremes on both ends of morality and decency. Sin has affect human reason in our day a age to the point that evidence to the contray makes no difference.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:15:36 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Topic Removed? :: Author oregonguy2</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Curious. Was my entire topic about how Christians approach the issue of burning the Koran removed? was it the topic itself, or was it in regards to those who have responded?<br /><br />I was interested in what people thought, as to me it's a perplexing issue.<br /><br />What went wrong?]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:47:29 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by iamjava</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The topic wasn't even that &quot;heated&quot;, which is making me a tad curious now.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:14:05 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by co</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Might have had something to do with my reply, oregonguy. I've been having a hard time figuring out the line that divides what is acceptable to write on this site, and what is not. I've been here since late 2005, and only within the past few weeks have i seemed to really be &quot;stepping in it&quot; when it comes to posts. If my response was the straw that broke the camel's back, i think this'll be my third infraction.<br /><br />So that i don't upset any sensibilities, my replies had to do with the U.S. Constitution, human rights, laws, the tyranny of what some call &quot;religion,&quot; and how this tyranny is incompatible with the foundations of the U.S. My responses were calm, dispassionate, reasoned, not hateful, and welcoming of any willing to forsake the falseness of this particular tyranny.<br /><br />I wonder if the better approach for you would have been to open your topic, and ask for private messages as replies. Kinda defeats the purpose of a forum though. It seems okay to thumb our figurative noses at current laws and other's sensibilities regarding nudity, and speak scornfully of the cultures that believe differently than we do about textiles, but it appears that's where a considered exchange of ideas ends.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:24:33 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by massnewbie</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hello Oregonguy and CO,<br /><br />Welcome to the dog house!<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.naturist-christians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9120">viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9120</a><!-- l -->]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:34:16 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by co</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>massnewbie wrote:</cite>Hello Oregonguy and CO,<br /><br />Welcome to the dog house!<br /><br /><!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.naturist-christians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9120">viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9120</a><!-- l --></div></blockquote><br /><br /> <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> <br /><br />Didn't want you to be in here all alone, massnewbie  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" />  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /> .]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:54:37 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by salmongetter</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>oregonguy2 wrote:</cite>Curious. Was my entire topic about how Christians approach the issue of burning the Koran removed? was it the topic itself, or was it in regards to those who have responded?<br /><br />I was interested in what people thought, as to me it's a perplexing issue.<br /><br />What went wrong?</div></blockquote><br /><br /><br />Oregonguy2, you topic was moved to the Mod area for review and discussion by another Mod. It may take a couple of days to finish review. In light of some current topics that have been removed the Mod is trying to error on the side of caution. I expect some to add comments after this post but PLEASE remember people, as MODS we are also trying to protect you as well as this site from outside non-members who think we are nothing but a bunch of wackos who claim to love the Lord but want to be NAKED... They just don't understand. With the Quran Burning Pastor all over the news right now we don't need to add fuel to the fire, so to speak. Bare with us as we try to look at this in a positive way.<br />Thanks.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by oregonguy2</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Wow. Never would imagine a post of mine would be under review! <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt="8O" title="Shocked" /> <br /><br />I actually came to N-C because I thought it was more profitable (and safer) to hear other fellow Christian views compared to the various facebook pages that oppose or support the book burnings. The postings there were espically over the top and scary. Someone may see the posting replies on my topic the same way. I can see that.<br /><br />If the Moderator(s) decide not to repost the entire topic, that's fine, I'll just have egg on my face.  <br /><br />I wonder what the debate here on N-C, facebook and across the Internet and media will be like if the day comes when someone will chose to run as President of the US and is Muslim. THAT would be interesting! Especially between Christians.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:51:20 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by Trailscout</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oregonguy,<br /><br />I know you mean well. I would not take it personally, the moderators are working hard behind the scenes I am sure to help steer this forum on the right path.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:13:33 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by larryk1052</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>oregonguy2 wrote:</cite>Wow. Never would imagine a post of mine would be under review! <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt="8O" title="Shocked" /> <br /><br />I actually came to N-C because I thought it was more profitable (and safer) to hear other fellow Christian views compared to the various facebook pages that oppose or support the book burnings. The postings there were espically over the top and scary. Someone may see the posting replies on my topic the same way. I can see that.<br /><br />If the Moderator(s) decide not to repost the entire topic, that's fine, I'll just have egg on my face.  <br /><br />I wonder what the debate here on N-C, facebook and across the Internet and media will be like if the day comes when someone will chose to run as President of the US and is Muslim. THAT would be interesting! Especially between Christians.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Some say it has already occured. <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" />]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:17:58 GMT</pubDate>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Topic Removed? :: Reply by DAYTONALILY</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I moved the topic NOT from the religious content but from the possible political content.  We try to steer clear of politics on this forum, because we are not a political forum.  Salmongetter was right, I was just trying to err on the side of caution.<br /><br />We've been discussing it in the Mod's forum, and there is a deadline coming up tomorrow to have it replaced.  There are very interesting religious issues surrounding this that SHOULD be discussed; however, please keep the politics out of it.<br /><br />Also, NO one has egg on their face; NO one is in the doghouse; and NO CO nothing you posted had anything to do with my decision.]]></description>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Folklore/Bible :: Reply by lewisdecastro</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[lewisdecastro wrote:<br /> You must understand that the Bible is the greatest Trust ever written. And That it has been prophesied that the Devil, i.e. the wicked deceiver, would sow &quot;Tares&quot; within the &quot;word of God&quot; trying not only to &quot;spoil&quot; the word of God, but trying to destroy people's &quot;trust&quot; in the word of God, through all the &quot;tares&quot; that are sown within the Scripture, at the same time perserving it with desireable stories making it one of the Most read books in the world.<br />Natman wrote this as follows;<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>I am not sure if I agree with the premise that the &quot;Word of God&quot; contains &quot;tares&quot;. &quot;Tares&quot; are a form of weed that, for all intents and purposes, looks like wheat but does not produce fruit. The &quot;Word of God&quot; is pure Truth, and as such, cannot contain &quot;tares&quot;.</div></blockquote><br /><br />          This is what the Scriptures says;<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><span style="color: #BF0000">          Mt 13:24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:<br /><br /> 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.<br /><br /> 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.<br /><br /> 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?<br /><br /> 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?<br /><br /> 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.</span> </div></blockquote><br /><br />         In this parable The word was sowed in the field, the Field is the Scriptures as written.<br /><br />         In the previous parable the seed was sowed in the hearts of people but from that which was gleaned out of the field i.e. the written word of God.<br /><br />         So I can see how that you would understand it the way you do that is commonly done. But if you realize the understanding of the second parable you will understand &quot;The Field&quot; is the Book that the word of God is written in.<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>It does however, not gloss over the sins of man, including those whom are the &quot;Called&quot; of God. God presents us warts and all, in both &quot;desirable&quot; AND &quot;undesireable&quot; stories.</div></blockquote><br /><br />        Well, I do believe the Sins of King David were certainly glossed over compared to the punnishment that is prescribed for such a crime that he committed in the Law of Moses. <br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>However, the Bible DOES say that the church (small &quot;c&quot;) will contain &quot;tares&quot;. That is, it will contain those who CLAIM to be &quot;Christians&quot; and who for all outward appearances SEEM to be &quot;Christians&quot; but whom on the Last Day will hear the Lord say, &quot;Depart from me for I never knew you.&quot;</div></blockquote><br /><br />        Where does it say that? That the church will contain &quot;tares&quot;?<br /><br />        Lewis,  <img src="http://naturist-christians.org/forums/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":-D" title="Very Happy" />]]></description>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Folklore/Bible :: Reply by natman55</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><div><cite>lewisdecastro wrote:</cite>          This is what the Scriptures says;<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div><span style="color: #BF0000">          Mt 13:24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:<br /><br /> 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.<br /><br /> 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.<br /><br /> 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?<br /><br /> 28  He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?<br /><br /> 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.</span> </div></blockquote><br /><br />         In this parable The word was sowed in the field, the Field is the Scriptures as written.<br /><br />         In the previous parable the seed was sowed in the hearts of people but from that which was gleaned out of the field i.e. the written word of God.<br /><br />         So I can see how that you would understand it the way you do that is commonly done. But if you realize the understanding of the second parable you will understand &quot;The Field&quot; is the Book that the word of God is written in.</div></blockquote><br /><br />I don't think so. I would say that, in this parable, the &quot;good seed&quot; (&quot;wheat&quot;) are those who are true &quot;Christians&quot;. The &quot;tares&quot; are those who profess to be &quot;Christians&quot; but in reality are not. The &quot;enemy&quot; is Satan. The &quot;field&quot; is the &quot;visible Church&quot;.<br /><br />You left out verse 30<br /> Mt 13:30<br />&quot;Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' &quot;<br /><br />Jesus is clearly speaking of &quot;people&quot;, not the Bible.]]></description>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Folklore/Bible :: Reply by co</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Lewis,<br /><br />I could buy your argument if Jesus had said &quot;<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Scripture</span></span> is likened unto a man which sowed...&quot;<br /><br />But it's pretty clear that Jesus is giving a parable about <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">the Kingdom of Heaven</span></span>, which as Jesus was talking about it, and as we today are expriencing it, includes what is happening on earth, and in the Church.<br /><br />Is there any other place in Scripture where the Word is compared to (likened to) a wheat field, or any other field?]]></description>
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            <title>Non-Naturist Bible discussions :: Re: Folklore/Bible :: Reply by lewisdecastro</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[lewisdecastro wrote:<br /> This is what the Scriptures says;<br /><br />Mt 13:24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:<br /><br />25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.<br /><br />26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.<br /><br />27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?<br /><br />28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?<br /><br />29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. <br /><br />In this parable The word was sowed in the field, the Field is the Scriptures as written.<br /><br />In the previous parable the seed was sowed in the hearts of people but from that which was gleaned out of the field i.e. the written word of God.<br /><br />So I can see how that you would understand it the way you do that is commonly done. But if you realize the understanding of the second parable you will understand &quot;The Field&quot; is the Book that the word of God is written in.<br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Natman wrote this;<br />I don't think so. I would say that, in this parable, the &quot;good seed&quot; (&quot;wheat&quot;) are those who are true &quot;Christians&quot;. The &quot;tares&quot; are those who profess to be &quot;Christians&quot; but in reality are not. The &quot;enemy&quot; is Satan. The &quot;field&quot; is the &quot;visible Church&quot;.<br /><br />You left out verse 30<br />Mt 13:30<br />&quot;Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' &quot;<br /><br />Jesus is clearly speaking of &quot;people&quot;, not the Bible.</div></blockquote><br /><br />      Just stop and think for a moment. YOu say the &quot;Wheat&quot; are those who are the true &quot;christians&quot;. <br /><br />       But, the Wheat is not the &quot;seed&quot; that is sown in the field! The Wheat is that which grew up out of the Field. The &quot;Seed&quot; Sown was not &quot;That Wheat&quot; that was sown, but that which was the fruit of that which grew out of that which was Sown in the &quot;Field&quot;. Therefore the &quot;ORiginal Seed that was Sown in the Field&quot; is not the Wheat that is judged and gathered into the Barn of the one who sowed the Original Seed, but rather the Seed sown must first go through death and die in a Book and be &quot;preached of the Faith&quot; that was &quot;onced delivered to the Saints&quot; inorder for this &quot;Seed Sown&quot; to come back alive through the Ground that it was sown in and become &quot;fruits&quot; ready to be &quot;harvested&quot;. And except that which is truth first die in the soil of the field, it cannot produce any fruit from it! <br /><br />        Thus, the Church, or the People in the Church, is not that seed that is sown, it is the fruit of that seed that was &quot;sown&quot; in the field, through the preaching of Christ the way the truth and the life, and if the preacher is not informed has not been born again and  preaches by his own wisdom, he will preach the &quot;Tares&quot; as though they were all the &quot;word of God&quot; also and deceive the people so that they cannot be &quot;grafted into the true Body of believers&quot; but instead they become &quot;corporate&quot; members &quot;Tares&quot; of a minor  denomenator, with the wrong &quot;name&quot; in the top location of the denomenation, making their converts to be nothing but suit and tie wearing deceived tares who never bring forth the fruits of righteousness which is that good and acceptable will of God for the Wheat that grows from the Original seed that was sown before the wicked one sowed the &quot;tares&quot; while &quot;men&quot; slept in the field.<br /><br />      Even Nature itself teaches you these things and it cannot be against nature or it is deception.<br /><br />        Lewis]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:05:42 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[Might be beneficial to listen to Jesus' explanation of the parable in Mat 13:36-43. The sower of the good seed is Jesus; the field is the world; the good seed are the sons of the kingdom; the tares are the sons of the evil one; the enemy who sowed the tares is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; the reapers are the angels.<br /><br />No doubt the first parable (Mat 13:3-9, 18-23) discusses sowing the word, but notice the word is always sown to <span style="font-style: italic">hearers</span>, not readers. These appear to be people who have heard a message about Christ (faith comes by hearing a message about Christ, Romans). You have several hearers: those who hear and don't understand; the one who hears and immediately receives the heard word with joy, but has no firm root and stumbles at the first affliction; the one who hears and allows concerns about the world to choke the truth, and the one who hears it, understands it, and bears fruit (to varying degrees) as a result.<br /><br />While the two parables have some similarities, they are different, and the two final lessons drawn from them are different.]]></description>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:30:13 GMT</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="uncited"><div>by co » Wed 08 Sep 10 17:30 <br /><br />Might be beneficial to listen to Jesus' explanation of the parable in Mat 13:36-43. The sower of the good seed is Jesus; the field is the world; the good seed are the sons of the kingdom; the tares are the sons of the evil one; the enemy who sowed the tares is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age; the reapers are the angels.<br /><br />No doubt the first parable (Mat 13:3-9, 18-23) discusses sowing the word, but notice the word is always sown to hearers, not readers. These appear to be people who have heard a message about Christ (faith comes by hearing a message about Christ, Romans).</div></blockquote> <br /><br />           You are very close to the picture to be understood.<br /><br />           Christ's Disciples heard the words of God through Jesus, They were told to go and make disciples in the world. The Disciples wrote the Words of Jesus in Books called &quot;letters&quot; so that others could have these words also. Then, the Disciples were martyred at a ver early age. But their Books they wrote remained and were read and reread. Rome not only martyred the disciples but they martyred every Christian they could get their hands on including the Apostle Paul. But even The Apostle Paul's writtings were still being read and reread after his death.<br /><br />         Then in 295 A.D. the Roman Emperor Diaclesous began his systematic burning of all Christian writtings he could get his hands on along with the believers and possessor's of these Writings of the Apostles' claiming to be trying to determine which writings were genuine and original and which ones were fraud and this Emperor was not even a Christian! How was he going to determine which ones were original and the True copy of what the Apostles wrote? Well it soon slowed down and Constatine was supposedly converted to Christianity. But even Constatine made and kept the Roman Law that forbid the Christians from having a &quot;bible of their own&quot; in their homes. And so for the next 99 years the Roman Leaders modified the writings of the Apostles and finally in about 394 A.D. They made the bible again available to the public after they had supposedly &quot;Cannonized&quot; what books were to be made available as authentic writings of the Apostles. <br /><br />            So while men slept, that is because of the extreme persecution from the Roman government, The Romans were &quot;sowing their tares&quot; by &quot;translating&quot; all the now what we call the new Testament into Greek making an effort of trying to present them as written by the original writings in Greek, trying to obscure the fact that they were every written in Hebrew originally.<br /><br />           So yes, there has been the &quot;hearing of this word&quot; by preachers , but, acknowledgment must be made that all this was preserved by writing the words down that they heard Jesus say to them, and these words that were written down was the &quot;field&quot; that made it possible for the &quot;evil one&quot; to also &quot;sow his tares&quot; by modifying these writings to suit their purpose. Thus, when ever preachers of the word, preached they again sowed this seed among those who heard them, and not suspecting that these writings had been sowed with &quot;tares&quot; by the Romans in their quest to bring the writings closer to the already teaching of isus and dezus better known as zues trying to bring in a &quot;world religion&quot;.<br /><br />         You see the Bible we call the Scriptures was so eloquently written that it became valuable in that the world was being taken by Christanity and Rome wanted to be the &quot;Father &quot; of Christianity! So they, through such extreme persecution were able to put &quot;men to sleep&quot; by their need to go underground with a pius religion, and gave Rome the advantage to modify the Scriptures and make them speak out on certain doctrines that really was not &quot;Christ's teaching at all&quot; but combined with in the same book it deceives people in to accepting some of these where if they would only &quot;rightly divide the Scriptures&quot; the specific doctrines would be exposed and they would be able to overcome sin in their life instead of continuing on in weakness and old sins.<br /><br />       So yes, The field in the parable was the Scriptures, and these scriptures were what was in the world, and what was made to be also subject the enemy sowing their own doctrines within this &quot;field&quot; within the world, that the world of Rome captured and took control of during the dark ages.<br /><br />       <br /><br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>You have several hearers: those who hear and don't understand; the one who hears and immediately receives the heard word with joy, but has no firm root and stumbles at the first affliction; the one who hears and allows concerns about the world to choke the truth, and the one who hears it, understands it, and bears fruit (to varying degrees) as a result.</div></blockquote><br /><br />                 This one is only in the first parable. In the first Parable it says nothing of the &quot;tares&quot; being believed instead of the Seed or word of God. only that the see was planted on different types of terain that would not sustain the ones who heard it. But in the next parables it had to do with the wicked one sowing &quot;tares&quot; with the word, and the &quot;tares&quot; were what made converts that could not bring forth fruits of righteousness in their life. That is quite a difference between the two parables.<br /><blockquote class="uncited"><div>While the two parables have some similarities, they are different, and the two final lessons drawn from them are different.</div></blockquote><br /><br />          I'll agree.<br /><br />           Lewis]]></description>
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            <description><![CDATA[I moved this topic out of the introduce yourself to here because it is more of this type of discussion now instead of us welcoming skyclad to NC even though we do and have welcomed him.]]></description>
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